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In the Name of Love: All the Best Romantic Movies

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On this episode of the Speaking of … College of Charleston podcast, in honor of Valentine’s Day, we ask Colleen Glenn, associate professor and director of the College's Film Studies Program, to weigh in on her favorite romantic movies.

We discuss some of the classes she teaches at the College, including Dreams and Movies and The Myth of the Road in American Cinema. As we shift to the upcoming holiday, she highlights her favorite romantic dramas, including Casablanca, An Affair to Remember, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, as well as romantic comedies like The Shop Around the Corner and Moonstruck.

Glenn also talks about how rom-coms have evolved and now include a wider variety of perspectives.

“Films have become more diverse in terms of representation,” says Glenn. “We have better representation of people of color – of different races and ethnicities – on screen today, and we also see different gender orientations and sexual orientations. So, the classic rom-com formula of 'boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy wins girl back' might now be 'boy meets boy' or 'girl-meets-girl.'"

Glenn encourages moviegoers to watch movies in the theater instead of on their devices to get the full experience. She says romantic movies are just one of the many cultural systems that facilitate the “happily ever after” myth of love – and, if we’re going to blame rom-coms, we have to throw music, theater and poetry into the mix.

What’s your favorite romantic movie to watch on Valentine’s Day? Text us your favorite romantic movie on the Apple Podcasts or comment your favorites on Spotify.

Resources From This episode:

  • Romantic Dramas: 
    • Casablanca (1942)
    • An Affair to Remember (1957)
    • Cold Mountain (2003)
    • Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004)
  • Romantic Comedies: 
    • It Happened One Night (1934)
    • The Shop Around the Corner (1940)
    • The Philadelphia Story (1940)
    • Some Like it Hot (1957)
    • The Apartment (1960)
    • Moonstruck (1987)
    • The Princess Bride (1987)
    • When Harry Met Sally (1989)
    • Four Weddings and a Funeral (1994)
  • Film Noir/Thrillers: 
    • Double Indemnity (1944)
    • The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946)
    • Fatal Attraction (1987)
    • Body Heat (1981)
  • Oscar Nominees
  • CinemaScope
  • Great Local Theater: The Terrace
amy stockwell:

On this episode of speaking of College of Charleston, we talk to Colleen Glenn, associate professor of Film Studies and English and director of the film studies program. Colleen's research includes star studies, gender studies and American cinema, and she's published articles on Woody Allen, Mickey Rourke and Jimmy Stewart. We brought her into the studio a week before Valentine's Day to talk about romance movies and how they've evolved from the Jimmy Stewart days to now. Thanks for being here, Colleen. Hi. Thank you for having me. So to kick it off. You're the director of Film Studies, as I said at the college, was there a specific moment in your life when you discovered a love of film? Did your parents take you to the movies when you were little? Or did you come to appreciate the movies later? I'd

Unknown:

say a bit of both. I grew up watching classical Hollywood cinema, for sure, my parents are both older and, you know, family nights around the television set on weekend nights, you know, where we were watching classical Hollywood movies with actors like Jimmy Stewart or Kate Hepburn or Carrie Gary Cooper or Sidney Poitier, that kind of thing. So definitely, I think that was instilled in me at an early age, just an appreciation for movies. And then I remember, as an English major in college, I took a course on Shakespeare, on film, and that was like the first time I really studied film, you know, and I just kind of fell in love with it. So, so

amy stockwell:

that established your interest in film. And then now, as a college professor, you teach classes, a variety of classes that I think sound really cool, classes on dreams in the movies and the myth of the road in American film. What are some of the movies that you reference in these classes? Can you just tell us a little bit about these classes? Sure, yeah,

Unknown:

I teach courses on all types of topics, but just the two that you just mentioned, dreams and movies, that, course, kind of dealt with how dreams and movies have a lot in common that you know, in many ways, movies are like dreams that we experience, watch unfold. We are we are passive as we watch them. We cannot, sort of change what's happening on screen, just like our dreams, right? So that, course, covered a lot of movies. I think we started with Sherlock Jr, which is a Buster Keaton silent film in which the projector falls asleep and then dreams he's in the movie. So he literally walks into the frame of the movie. He's a projectionist. If I missed that, if I didn't say that, and we watched films like vertigo. I'm trying to think, what else we covered in that class. Oh, Mulholland Drive, David Lynch, so of course, he is very much a kind of a dream maker in his films. Yeah, his surreal films. The myth of the road in American cinema class, I've taught that several times now, and it's really enjoy it. The road movie really comes out of the post war moment. And so most of the films we watch are kind of deriving from that new Hollywood era and beyond. So films like Bonnie and Clyde, Easy Rider, Badlands, Thelma and Louise. So yeah, films like that, and that's a really popular class,

amy stockwell:

I bet, yeah, I bet, yeah. Okay, so that's, that's a little bit about what you do in your real life, but the reason that we have you here today is to talk about romance because, like I said, it's Valentine's Day is coming up, and I'm already seeing all sorts of movies pop up on Netflix and Amazon, all sorts of rom coms. So that I thought we would talk about have have you tell us, in your opinion, what are some of the top romantic movies of all time, and why?

Unknown:

Okay, wow. So obviously that's such a big, you know, genre, so I would probably break it into romantic dramas and romantic comedies, you know. And I think for Valentine's Day, we tend to think more of rom coms, right? So maybe I'll just mention a few of my favorite romantic dramas, and then we can get into rom coms. But Casablanca is certainly, you know, at the top of my list, probably for a romantic drama, and it just has everything you would want in a movie. And I think in addition to the the love affair, the relationship between Ingrid Bergman and Humphrey Bogart. We also have a buddy relationship there between Claude Rains and Humphrey Bogart that I think is equally kind of satisfying, you know, by the end of the film. And add that to the, you know, made in 1942 during the war effort, it's just very, I think, touching and uplifting film. Some other favorites would be like an affair to remember. If you know that film from 1957 that's Katharine Hepburn. No, that's Deborah Carr and Cary Grant, and that's it was remade as it well. I think they reference it and Sleepless in Seattle, it's not exactly the same thing, but. There's a Sleepless in Seattle. It's like, derivative of an unfair to remember, I think, where they meet at the top of the Empire. Yeah, exactly they're supposed to meet, yeah, and I'm afraid to remember, and she doesn't show up. And, yeah, Cold Mountain is another one. I'm like, Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, adapted from the novel, but Jude Law and Nicole Kidman, another one, more recent, or not that recent, but I guess it's all relative, right, but Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Michelle gandry with Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet, I think is a really fantastic romantic drama. I have all sorts of thoughts about that, and that's another one that's really funny, but also really, I think, deep and emotional and touching, just this idea of, would you, would you, you know, would it be better to be free of painful memories, right? You know exactly have them. Yeah,

amy stockwell:

your heart's broken. And you think I would love to just cut that whole piece out of my mind so I don't have to agonize over it anymore.

Unknown:

Yeah? And very ultimately, he chooses to have the pain, right? Yeah? But yeah, I think with Valentine's Day, we probably gravitate more towards rom coms. And again, there too is such an old genre. We mentioned Jimmy Stewart before, so one of my favorites of his rom coms would be the shop around the corner. And that was just, it's actually was remade as you've gotten mail in the 90s, but that's a really endearing one, which, if people

amy stockwell:

remember, that's Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan, that's right, he's the big bookstore conglomerate, and she has the little local bookstore. Yeah, and

Unknown:

not, I will say I'm not a big fan of you've gotten mail, even though I like both of those actors, but I would definitely recommend watching the shop around the corner. Yeah, who's the female lead in the Margaret Sullivan, okay? And, yeah, just they have terrific screen chemistry, and it works really well. And some other favorites, Jimmy

amy stockwell:

Stewart ever not have great chemistry with all of the like, don't you think I feel like he just created that chemistry? Yeah?

Unknown:

Yeah. A lot of his movies in the 30s, especially, he was paired with these strong leading ladies, so he worked really, I think, Well, with that dynamic, he worked against gene Arthur, and you can't take it with you, which is another really endearing rom com, The Philadelphia Story. Yeah, that's Cary Grant Brenda Jimmy Stewart. That's a great one. One of my personal favorites is Billy Wilder's the apartment with, oh, I don't know that one that's really worth seeing. That's Jack Lemmon and Shirley MacLaine. Okay, yeah, it's, it's so wonderful. It really is. And it's very modern for 1960 I think it's very kind of contemporary. And it's, you know, a bit of a movie about, I won't say, two lost souls in a city, but kind of, you know, and it also kind of deals with corporate culture and that kind of thing. So anyway, that's one of my favorites. Some Like It Hot, also by Billy Wilder, right, which is, you know, just terrific fun. And all the gender bending is just, I actually think is really, you know, makes it still holds up today in so many great ways.

amy stockwell:

And up to our listeners, I promise. I'll put all of these in our show notes and with links to the movies so that you can find them. Because already in my head, I'm like, I need to write this down. I can go watch these

Unknown:

this weekend. Yeah. I mean others, when Harry man Sally is always a favorite, you might go wrong with that one. One of my favorites is Moonstruck with that one. Oh, I love 1987 Yeah, Norman Jewison. It's just a terrific one. I just rewatched it recently, and I can never get enough of that movie. I know there's so many great quotable lines in that movie too. It's such a great love story and you know, but I also love the love within the family, you know? I found myself tearing up, not just that, the relationship between NIC and Cher, but also just the closeness of the family unit, and the grandfathers there and they're all together, and the dogs house in Brooklyn, yeah, it's sweet. I agree that's one of my all time favorites. Yeah, it's really terrific. Another favorite is The Princess Bride. Yeah, people love that. I've never watched it, but okay, I don't believe I know that's what you should do tonight. Yeah, I do love that film. I think it's incredibly funny, but also it really, it's very romantic as well. And another one of my favorites is Four Weddings and a Funeral. Yeah,

amy stockwell:

that was like the beginning of Hugh Grant's kind of when he took off. Yeah,

Unknown:

I think that's a terrific screenplay. Yeah, really well done. So those are, none of those are really contemporary anymore. What does that say? But those are the quality completely diminished. Do you think, um, no, I don't think so. I think I, you know, I'm sort of naming, you

amy stockwell:

could go back and watch any of those movies that you just mentioned. You could watch it and it would still, it still resonates. Yeah, the messages in those movies. Yes, I

Unknown:

think so. I'm. Mean, in another 10 or 20 years, we'll be able to see like, you know, right, which films from this era kind of stand up. I'm just more familiar with with older film, yeah, I think, yeah, yeah. I'm, I'm gonna chime in here real quick with, please do not a very serious one, but the the action rom com, and just kind of curious about thoughts on, I mean, that's just real popcorn type movie, but I was raised on my parents taste in movies, and they really liked Romancing the Stone, those vibes. Now you get a little bit of that, a little more recent. I think the adventure romance, yeah, yeah, Romancing the stones a terrific movie. And I'm a huge Kathleen Turner fan and, and that was really kind of a throwback to romantic drama movies of the 1950s including King Solomon's minds. And there were several, they're not all going to come to mind right now, but several movies that featured, you know, you know, two, two leads, or, you know, a romance evolving in some exotic, you know, location, and we've got, I can't remember the name, like the lost city or something, which was a recent Sandra Bullock Channing, oh, yes, exactly. Had a few curveballs in it wasn't exactly an Oscar winner, but was

amy stockwell:

and didn't Brad Pitt have a random appearance in that? I was like, What is he doing? Air

Unknown:

dropped into that one for about five minutes. Yeah. Cameo. Yeah.

amy stockwell:

That was better than I expected. I didn't think it looked very good. Yeah. Actually was pretty entertaining. Yeah, have they changed? Have romance movie rom coms evolved over time? You know, since the days of, let's go back to like Jimmy Stewart and and to to more current ones, yeah. I mean,

Unknown:

I think they, I think they have, I mean, I think for one, I think we see films have become more diverse in terms of, you know, representation. So we have, you know, better representation of people of color, you know, of different races and ethnicities, also have different genders and gender or, you know, orientations and sexual orientations. So you know the classic rom com formula of, you know, boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy wins girl back. Now we see that, you know, it might be Boy Meets Boy, right, you know, or Girl Meets Girl, or whatnot. And so I think we definitely have seen just a kind of, just greater diversity, and in terms of representation, for sure that, you know, in the early 2000s there was a whole, like spate of bromance films, including, I love you man and get Him to the Greek. There were several of them. But, yeah, I thought those, the romance films were kind of interesting, because they essentially took the rom com formula, and, you know, kind of place that formula onto male friendship. So they were straight, you know, straight men. But, you know, the things were really kind of, it was kind of romantic in the way that it was conveyed as this person being the primary person in your life. Yeah, I think the same shifts that we see in rom coms in terms of mapping that onto, you know, more diverse representations of of people, includes romantic dramas. So call me by your name with Timothy Chalamet, which my students love. By the way, they love the movie, but they also love Timothy Chalamet, oh my gosh. They go crazy for him. And also a really terrific film that features two female leads and a relationship between the two women as a Portrait of a Lady on fire, yes, which is just amazing. I can't recommend that enough. So, yeah, I think that's one way we've seen romantic films. Romance films evolve and shift, yeah. But also, I think one thing I really noticed over the last, I don't know, 15 or 20 years or so, maybe more now, is as movies that are focused on older couples. Yes, middle aged, even senior couples. And we see that like on television with the golden Bachelorette, but we're also seeing it in movies like as good as it gets, or a book club, or, you know, it's complicated, yeah, even though, when we were talking about earlier, you're cordially invited, which came out on Yes, is that Amazon Prime? I think, yeah,

amy stockwell:

exactly. Amazon Prime

Unknown:

features, you know that the romantic relationship that unfolds is between a middle age, right? So I do think that that's crazy to think of middle age, to think of Will Ferrell and Reese Witherspoon as middle age, but that's really so I think that's one of the things I noticed, too,

amy stockwell:

with all of the rom coms, you know, popping up on Netflix and Amazon in these next few days. I know. That valentine's day can be hard when you're single, and so those messages come from all over the place, but I feel like are rom com slightly to blame for creating these unrealistic expectations about love and happily ever after, and maybe less so now, I don't know if that's something that has evolved, but if you're watching one of those movies and you're all by yourself, it's gonna make you not necessarily feel good. It's gonna make you feel sad. This

Unknown:

is true. You know, that's a tough question, because if we're gonna blame movies, then we have to, like, blame, you know, everything. And you know popular culture and and you know also, like, you know, most, most songs, for example, right on the train, you know, yeah, chopping block, or, you know, going back to, you know, drama or poetry, you know. So we've been glorifying love and since the beginning, right, story time, right?

amy stockwell:

That's except those horrible movies, like, what was that? There was one horrible one about two couples who hated War of the Roses like that just popped into my head, where, because, because I was just thinking, everybody loves to watch the rom coms because it's escapism, and it's, you know, because it is happy ever after, nobody wants to watch a movie about a terrible relationship, right? But then there are some of those,

Unknown:

although, if it, you know, if it does, if it depresses you, to watch a rom com with, you know, the happy ending, then maybe, maybe watch Fatal Attraction, right? Or body heat, which is a great, yeah, noir, also, Kathleen Turner, you know, or, I don't know, better off dead, you know, feel like that might provide more laughs, but also gets a darker element and into the that's a good idea, like recommending Fatal Attraction. Yeah, so make you feel better about not being interrupted.

amy stockwell:

Exactly, right? Just put blinders on. Don't look at all the cards in the store and all the balloons and right. Okay, so enough about romance. We have the Oscars are coming up right around the corner. I'm sure you haven't seen all of them, but do you have any? Do you have any picks that you think will be winners? Yeah, I haven't

Unknown:

seen them all. I'm curious to hear what you guys think, too. Jesse's probably seen them all. I have not close. I have not seen them all. I need to review the list. I did see the brutalist recently, which is feeling like it's got some momentum behind it. So I'd love to hear your thoughts. Well, I haven't seen it. I can't wait to see it. In fact, I want to see it while it's still it's at the terrace. I know I saw it at the at the terrace, and it was very good. I very appreciated the 15 minute intermission. He's got a real intermission in it, really,

amy stockwell:

you know, like, three and a half hours. Yeah, why? That's another thing about movies. I feel like they're just long getting better and longer. I mean, it

Unknown:

used to be, I mean, for many years, the standard length of a feature film was 90 minutes to two hours, and now it's becoming two and a half hours. Do

amy stockwell:

you think that's because of they're competing with Netflix, where that had series shows that can stretch, you know? Perhaps

Unknown:

I actually think it's, I don't think it's for the better. I think it's, in fact, most, most films these days, not all, and I don't mean to sound, you know, but most films I think could be improved by cutting about 15 or 20 minutes out. I find that there's the odd occasion where it might, it might be necessary, you know, to it warrants the like I one example, I think dune two was a very long but, but quality and kind of needed some length, and it was a well crafted movie. But, yeah, no, a lot are rather long these days. Yeah, it's interesting that that's a shift. I don't know, like all the reasons why, but yeah, you make a good point about perhaps competing with these, you know, lengthier, right

amy stockwell:

story, season 10 episodes each, or whatever. But

Unknown:

I feel like there is a little bit of some filmmakers wanting to try and, you know, reignite some kind of, like, no cinema is different kind of approach, and for for good and ill, where it'd be like, you know, for example, the brutalist was shot in a in was it CinemaScope or this division, I think it was, which is a bit of a gimmick kind of thing, but was a special film process that they created in the early 50s. One of the first movies that I think used, it was White Christmas. And so that's kind of like a gimmicky, kind of, like, look. We've shot this this particular way. They've you know, can you tell the difference when you're watching I think it looked fantastic. I mean, you can it's it kind of flips perspective on how you shoot you take, instead of a 35 millimeter film rolling vertically. Way across the shutter. It goes horizontally, gives you more room and in the frame, so you get a higher res, not resolution, because it's film, but a higher quality kind of image from that, from that negative. So I think it looked amazing. And it's way cheaper than, say, like 70 millimeter IMAX, which is really challenging to work with, but particularly looks good on the big screen, yeah, you know, right? Which is part of the I think the goal is the idea that you need to see these things. These are in the theater. This is a theater experience. And that's, I think, a big thing for a lot of filmmakers right now, is, you know, you hear Scorsese talk about, you shouldn't be watching this stuff on my phone, right, right. No, I try to tell my students the same thing. Yeah, is

amy stockwell:

the brutalist up for best movie. It's up

Unknown:

for almost every category. I mean, not everyone, but all of the major categories. And I my prediction it will probably sweep. I don't know if it's gonna really, I don't know if it'll sweep every category, but I think it's gonna take home several years. Yeah, I you know, I think it might have some real legs to get a significant like maybe a majority of its of its nominations. But we have seen in recent years where you have these movies that get a bunch and then don't necessarily win a whole bunch. I think La La Land is an example that had a lot of nominations, but didn't win all of them. I think two or maybe two of them, but I think, I mean, again, who knows, but it could likely win Best Director, Best Picture, Best Actor, we'll see. I mean, I think Timothy Chalamet. I mean, he's in the running for Best Actor for The Bob Dylan movie for the, yeah, a complete unknown. Which was good, yeah, I enjoyed that. Was another long one. Wasn't that. I actually haven't seen it yet. I don't know if I should confess this or not, but I don't love biopics. Yeah, and there's, there's so many biopics lately, and especially the more I like the artists, like, I'm a big Bob Dylan fan, and, you know, there's a lot of other biopics that have come out on music artists I really liked. It's, it's hard for me to explain, but it's almost like I don't want to know. I just, I enjoy the music so much. Yeah, it's like I just want to enjoy the art and not necessarily know personal details of their lives. But I must be in the minority on that, because biopics are so popular right now. I mean,

amy stockwell:

Bob Dylan, there's several done about him. I was listening. I was talking about that, yeah,

Unknown:

this one's, I think, the most like, I hesitate to say normal by any means, you know, because you know what is, what is normal, but it's the more most traditional, right? The others were kind of avant garde, yeah? And this is kind of like, Hey, we're going to tell this four year, you know, gap, chunk of of his life. Yeah, I'm sure I'll see it at some I've heard it's very good, and I have no doubt Chalamet did a great job, and Nora was there's one I haven't seen that I would really like to see. I think that film deserves recognition. I don't know whether, again, I don't know whether baker or Sean Baker, will win a Best Director, but he's certainly nominated. I thought it was masterful directing. The acting by the leading actress, Mikey Madison, was really impressive. What does that one call Nora? Oh, I don't even know that one. It's, I mean, it's, in some ways, it's a tough film to watch because it's, it's so, like, stressful, yeah, the two and a half hours of this kind of wild ride. But the acting is just terrific, yeah. And so I think that film might likely get some recognition one way or another. Other films Conclave, there's talk of conclave or recognition for Ray fines, a real pain. Jesse Eisen, Karen Calkins, I was a bit of that was a good one as an understated movie, and I think intentionally So, yeah, but I enjoyed that one. It was, it was pretty good. I think Karen Calkins nominated for Best Supporting Actor, and it might be also nominated for, like, maybe best original screenplay or something like that. I'm not sure. I think some of the art direction and like production design, costuming and makeup stuff, awards might go to films like wicked or to dune to,

amy stockwell:

yeah, as a film studies professor, do you give much weight to like award shows, or is it all just kind of, you know, glitz and glam. And

Unknown:

I, I guess I don't give a whole lot of weight to the Oscars, and I do think they're fun to watch. I have not been in favor of this 10 Best Picture nomination show that occurred a few years ago. I think in an attempt to get a wider audience, they've now nominated 10 best pictures. And I just think that's a little too many, and doesn't quite it dilutes the like, the potency of what it means to be nominated for Best Picture when there's 10. But as much as I think it can be arbitrary, what wins, and I think it certainly is. I mean, some years, you know. Know, you can have, speaking of Mickey Rourke, you mentioned him earlier the year that he was up for the wrestler, which was a stunning performance. Oh, that was great. I mean, I think he deserved the Oscar for that, but he lost to Sean Penn, who did a fabulous job in milk, you know, so Harvey Milk, yeah, so, and that's one of those that like, like not to say the pen didn't deserve it, but you can always go back and look and say, you know, you know, maybe this film deserved it more or whatnot. I think a lot of the time they are a product of their moment, because, like, 1994 Best Picture included three of, I think Forrest, Gump, Shawshank, redemption and Pulp Fiction. I believe were all three nominated for Best Picture that year, and I believe Forrest Gump won the award. Which is a is a good film, but is not necessarily in the the Pantheon or dialog of of great films, quite as much as, say one of those other two, right is agreed. Right, agreed. That was massively popular, but it's not necessarily, you know, to be as more important, yeah, so any given year depending on the competition. But that said, I do pay attention, especially when I'm teaching a film like I taught it happened one night a couple of weeks ago, and as I was introducing the film, you know, I said this film was nominated, I want to say, for seven Academy Awards, and it won five. I think that's correct. I'm sorry that it's not quite on the not quite remembering, but, and I think that isn't important, that does tell us something about this film and how it was received. In fact, Claudette Colbert didn't think much of the movie they were making, and so she didn't even go to the Oscars, really. Oh, wow. And it was one of those years where it just swept the award. So I recently saw baby girl, and I thought, Oh, what do you think I liked it? And I was surprised, because when I saw the trailer, I thought, oh, boy, yeah, you know, I was like, here we go again. Because I was already feeling a little weird about Nosferatu, which, I don't know if you guys want to talk about that, but I don't want to spoil anything for anybody. But um, baby girl surprised me in a way I really liked.

amy stockwell:

Okay, I'll give it a shot. Then, yeah, because I was like, Oh, here we go. I saw that.

Unknown:

I saw that trailer. And I said to myself, they either know exactly what they're doing with this trailer or this is not going to be a movie I will enjoy. And it sounds like it may have been very skillful editing with that trailer, then I don't know. Yes, no, the trailer is misleading. And I don't mean that in a pejorative way. The trailer leads you to expect the film will be different than it is, yeah. And you know, in the hands of a female director, I think we ended up with a film that's actually pretty empowering.

amy stockwell:

And like you said, I mean, again, it's hard to think of Nicole Kidman as being older now, but really she is an older so more films focusing on women of a later age and their relationships. And yeah, yeah, I'll have to check that one out. So okay, so I think we've given people plenty of ideas of movies to watch and ways to keep themselves entertained on Valentine's Day, if, if it is if you do decide to watch a movie. So thank you for coming in and talking to us. And I would love to take one of your classes one

Unknown:

day anytime. Thank you for having me. I'd love to come in again sometime.

amy stockwell:

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